But of course I didn't. substance to it. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. But how? He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. She. They could check cell towers then, but only manually. I, was like, `Hi, buddy.' MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. His goal at first was simply to collect memories and tributes from people who were close to Bagby. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. The pair planned to take care of the minutiae of dealing with a lost loved one, fly back to California and kill themselves. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Or what about the one of me and Andrew? How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? Typically, we meet the victim not as a person but as a dismantled puzzle to be put back together by the canny viewer, who is likewise appealed to not as a person hearing about a human catastrophe but as an analytical machine capable of sorting and weighing the relevant facts. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. MORRISON: The Bagbys said that Shirley would later apologize for, her reaction. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. Blu-ray | DVD, 10th Anniversary Edition: We couldnt actually believe shed (harm Zachary), but we consciously feared she could do that, he said. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. Oh my god. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good. In January, the film was nominated for Best Documentary by both the Chicago Film Critics Association and the Online Film Critics Society, who also nominated writer/director/composer Kurt Kuenne for Breakthrough Filmmaker of 2008. STORY CONTINUES BELOW THESE SALTWIRE VIDEOS. The bill is called C-464 - An Act to amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. Because this is foreshadowing. Dear Zachary was named one of the top 5 documentaries of 2008 by the National Board of Review! What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. She was deranged. Purchase the book here: Amazon USA | Amazon Canada, To read more reviews, visit our Press Archive, ZACHARY'S BILL (BILL C-464) BECOMES LAW IN CANADA, (Click HERE to read a letter to viewers from David & Kate Bagby.). ), DEAR ZACHARY 10TH ANNIVERSARY HD REMASTERED EDITIONNOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY, DVD, and DIGITAL, For the film's 10th anniversary, Kurt Kuenne remastered "Dear Zachary", its epilogue, and its bonus features for HD, converting the original standard definition elements to HD shot-by-shot, while remixing the film in 5.1 surround, so that it now looks and sounds as originally intended on today's platforms. She was here.' They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. in honor of his beloved friend Andrew, and then for Andrew's son, Zachary. (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. . Blu-ray: doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? I only live a block away.' The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. On Aug. 18, 2003, while awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of murdering Andrew, Turner jumped into the waters of Conception Bay South with her 13-month-old son strapped to her in a murder-suicide. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. (It was announced, in 2014, that the documentary would be made into a miniseries. It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. Kate and David Bagby traveled to Ottawa last week to speak as witnesses for the bill before the House's Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. Mr. SHEARS: I thought they were great with him. Even during his stilted summaries of events, you can sometimes hear Kuenne choking up. Bad things tend not to announce themselves, they just kind of land right on your head. A True-Crime Story That Puts the Victims First | The New Yorker And he'd be like(turns. The strange allure of Robert Durst and The Jinx.. did. (A huge thanks to the folks at Different by Design in Los Angeles, CA and Anarchy Post in Glendale, CA for making this possible and affordable.). MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? I mean, we would never, disagree with her or fight with her about anything unless there was real. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. Keith Morrison reports. They've retired, hang out with friends and travel a bit, David Bagby said. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. It comes down to probable cause, the right to bail and the presumption of innocence. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. RELATED:California filmmaker remasters documentary on the lives and murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner. They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. October 22, 2009: Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail. MORRISON: Winter is capricious in Newfoundland; repeatedly, spring is briefly offered and then taken back again. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. David Bagby, left, and Kate Bagby, right, celebrate with their son Andrew Bagby at his graduation from medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland in June 2000. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. Click here for ticket information! Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Mr. BAGBY: She told the court she was afraid we would harm the baby. Unidentified Woman #11: I love them very much. Did. How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? Why don't you just take him?'. This couple have endured more grief and pain that most people will endure in a lifetime. ', KATE: He's so loved. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. I had a husband I loved. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? June 2, 2015 - June 2020. This was the situation with Andrews son Zachary. Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Not too long ago? They began a drawn-out court battle to protect their grandson from the woman who had almost certainly murdered their son. On December 4, 2009, Bill C-464 (our bail reform bill) was discussed on the floor of the House of Commons for a full hour, and MP Scott Andrews received unanimous support from all political parties in the House of Commons to advance the bill to the Standing Committee on Justice & Human Rights. I couldn't see the point anymore. A 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition Blu-Ray and DVD with special artwork and packaging is available only from Oscilloscope Laboratories at the link below. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Mr. BAGBY: Without those cell phone records, they couldn't formally charge. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. 1 Photo. Why? It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. David remembers uttering, "It's really him," and recalls how the two cried over the body, tears falling on to Andrew's face. Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. And this is where director Kurt Kuenne is really smart. He's a little bleary eyed, but. Kurt Kuenne's acclaimed orchestral score for "Dear Zachary", nominated for Best Documentary Score of 2008 by the International Film Music Critics Association, is now available on CD and for digital download. quiet. (Shirley and Zachary at birthday party; birthday party), KATE: He didn't want to open presents, you know, he wanted to get, down. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. Djing. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. She turns to talking of her son and calls him Gods blessing. KATE: It was shocking, but not a surprise. Purchase the album on: Amazon (Physical CD) iTunes Amazon MP3, DAVID BAGBY'S "DANCE WITH THE DEVIL" RETURNS TO PAPERBACK AND E-BOOK, After four years of being out of print, David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil" (Andrew Bagby's father's powerful memoir of the events depicted in "Dear Zachary") is finally available in paperback and e-book. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. 1 suspect was his estranged girlfriend, Shirley Turner, also a medical doctor, who was raised in western Newfoundland and was then practicing in Iowa. One of those forgettable pieces of solipsistic pseudo-art that is essentially just a scrapbook that was released to the public and then everyone just said it was good because no one wanted to hurt anyones feelings. The victims choices, preferences, actions, and relationships are either boiled down to a heap of clues and red herrings, or offered as a backdrop in a spirit of dutiful empathy before getting down to the business at hand. Oh, my God. You can reach out to David Bagby-cantu via phone number 915-383-8358. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. If you were waiting to find out where exactly the comfort was in this litany of suffering, it is in Bagbys parents. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. . You will hurt and this film will sit with you for days, weeks, months. After the shooting, according to Kate, Turner called her claiming she was trying to reach Andrew. Digital: iTunes | Amazon | Google Play, Order David Bagby's book Cpl. You can't tell them this over the phone. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. I would have to dream up some reason to go over, there in the middle of the night, to--for me to just appear on her doorstep, Mr. BAGBY: Turned out I wasn't. First their son was murdered in Pennsylvania, then their grandson in Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? Man #26: and for having the strength to make it through, Unidentified Man #27: With what you've been through, to still be, carrying on, still to hold your heads up and keep going and pushing forward is, (Kate and David; photo of David and Kate), Unidentified Woman #13: I think God put some people down on Earth, Mr. A. BAGBY: (Wedding video) We're brothers, and I love you. The full hour will not be available online. After arriving home, she drove 900 miles back to Pennsylvania to kill the man who rejected her. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. Skewed imagery. The album includes "Andrew", the 8 minute concert work Kurt wrote and recorded in Andrew's memory in 2002. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. See details above! Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Lying on my shoulder and looking up at me as if to say, Yes Nan, Im here.. All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. What if she is backed in a. corner? Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Kathryn Schulz, reviewing Making a Murderer recently inThe New Yorker, described howtrue-crime projects can allow for bias to masquerade as objectivity and for people (particularly victims and their families) to be reduced to plot points. And in that way this tragedy remains hers and hers alone. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement and Your California Privacy Rights. He seems to be talking about the unfathomable grief Shirley Jane Turner left behind. (Youll never guess who showed up on my doorstep, one of Bagbys friends recalls him saying. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? And Im blessed to have David and quite frankly David is blessed to have me, said Kate. And that was midafternoon. Every last person who steps foot into a theater to see this will walk away changed. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. (A number of his male friends say that they asked, or would have asked, him to be their best man.) -, "**** (Four stars). In that time, it also becomes clear that Andrews fate is in danger of also becoming his sons. So he came straight for me. We need each other, have each other to get through this.". Amazon | Barnes & Noble | Walmart, DIGITAL They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. And as tragic as this story is, that is also where its consolation lies: that Shirley Jane Turner destroyed everything around her in an attempt to extinguish the love she was incapable of experiencing herself, and in the end she couldnt. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. But on Sunday, when he drove her to the airport, Andrew made it clear to Shirley it was over for good. We'll keep this website updated as to their progress when there is news. David Bagby - Facebook But you will come away believing in people. His father says, I kissed him and held him. The couple was also involved in a support group for parents of murdered children and sat through three murder trials to try and help other surviving parents deal with their incredible grief. The bill now moves to the Senate where it is expected to be embraced in a similar fashion. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. The night was. I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. They were good friends; it was he who Bagby had told about the fatal meeting with Turner beforehand. Zachary didn't seem like. KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. February 24, 2009: MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Now, she sucked us in here, too. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. The legal system helped her kill Zachary. This film wasn't made to win awards, or, for that matter, even be criticized. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. They are warm. -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. Said, `Oh, no, I really can't.'. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. The bill has added an amendment to Canada's criminal code giving courts the right to refuse bail to someone charged with a serious crime who is deemed a potential danger to children under the age of 18. I can say it like that because even without a trial, the evidence was so damning we might as well have been next to her when she carried out the crime. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. Understood? None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. HEATHER: I knew he'd been struggling with me moving on and dating other people. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss granddad? Couldn't be her. But it will also introduce you to some of the most inspiring, strong and caring people ever to grace the big screen."" I dont understand how that can be ignored.. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. Except this story is worse. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. T.J. and his girlfriend went to bed. David Bagby - IMDb MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. He said, `What do you mean?' I cannot stress this enough: this movie frightened and disturbed me more than any horror film I've ever seen in my life. Then, suddenly, tears. On Nov. 5, Kate, who is originally from England, pictures Turner sitting on top of a Guy Fawkes bonfire and her family all around it with fireworks. The committee passed the bill unanimously, which is how it came to be heard in the House for a final vote this week. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. It was made to tell a story and to capture forever the life of one man and the many people he touched. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this.

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